Legislature(1997 - 1998)

04/29/1998 01:30 PM Senate JUD

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             SB 348 - RIGHTS OF CONSCIENCE PROTECTION                          
                                                                               
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR announced the next item on the calendar was SB 348,            
"An Act relating to rights of conscience protection for persons who            
directly or indirectly provide or perform health care services."               
He asked Senator Ward to come forward to present SB 348.                       
                                                                               
Number 0343                                                                    
                                                                               
SENATOR JERRY WARD, Alaska State Legislature, sponsor of SB 348,               
directed the committee's attention to the proposed committee                   
substitute, Version H, Cook, dated 4/28/98.                                    
                                                                               
SENATOR MILLER made a motion to adopt proposed committee                       
substitute, Version H, Cook, dated 4/28/98. There being no                     
objection, that version was before the committee.                              
                                                                               
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR asked Senator Ward to explain the difference                   
between the versions.                                                          
                                                                               
SENATOR WARD responded the proposed committee substitute "further              
clarifies the rights of citizens not to have to do anything that               
would be against their conscience."  He said when Roe v. Wade was              
enacted in 1970 giving women the right to have an abortion in the              
state of Alaska, a clause was inserted that no individual would be             
forced to perform these procedures.  However, the "privacy law"                
introduced by Senator Terry Miller in 1972, has been interpreted by            
some misguided appointed people who believe that right no longer               
exists.  He reiterated that it clearly was never the intent of the             
legislature or the citizens of the state of Alaska to cause an                 
individual to perform an act that is against their conscience -                
their moral conscience, not their religious conscience.  He noted              
there was a proposed amendment for consideration by the committee.             
                                                                               
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR verified the difference between the original                   
version and the proposed committee substitute is the insertion of              
the word "elective".                                                           
                                                                               
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SENATOR MILLER pointed out this legislation actually tracks Senate             
Joint Resolution 35, which is currently in the House Rules                     
Committee.  He noted an amendment had been made the prior evening              
in the House Finance Committee which basically inserted the word               
"elective".  Essentially, this legislation helps define "elective"             
abortion.  He further stated if SJR 35 passes, goes before the                 
voters and becomes part of the constitution, there needs to be an              
enabling statute that defines terms such as "elective."                        
                                                                               
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR inquired about the proposed amendment.                         
                                                                               
SENATOR WARD said the amendment would delete "a reported act of                
forcible rape" and insert "an act of sexual assault that has been              
reported to a peace officer" on page 5, line 15.                               
                                                                               
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SENATOR MILLER made a motion to adopt Amendment 1.  There being no             
objection, Amendment 1 was adopted.                                            
                                                                               
SENATOR ELLIS asked if that means with nonelective abortions, a                
person's right to conscience will be over-ridden for performance of            
that procedure in medical facilities? In other words, the House is             
proposing a distinction in this resolution between elective and                
nonelective abortions.                                                         
                                                                               
SENATOR WARD explained that currently every hospital in the state              
performs abortions when the life of the mother is in jeopardy and              
every hospital, except Providence Hospital, performs abortions for             
rape and incest.  This bill clarifies that a hospital not wishing              
to perform elective abortions is not required to perform elective              
abortions, which has been the law for the part 27 years.  It is his            
belief that even if "elective abortions" was not added into the                
constitutional amendment, every hospital would continue their                  
current practice; however, he wants to make sure that every                    
hospital provides the current practice of abortions for life of                
mother, rape and incest.                                                       
                                                                               
SENATOR ELLIS inquired if nonelective abortions are performed at               
Providence Hospital.                                                           
                                                                               
SENATOR WARD said that was correct, when the life of the mother is             
in jeopardy and every other hospital for rape and incest, also.                
                                                                               
SENATOR ELLIS asked Senator Ward to address the issue of immunity              
from liability on page 2, line 17.                                             
                                                                               
SENATOR WARD said it states that "an individual is not civilly,                
criminally, or administratively liable to a person for refusing                
...."                                                                          
                                                                               
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SENATOR ELLIS said his intent is to bring this up so the committee             
could give serious consideration to the ramifications of granting              
immunity.                                                                      
                                                                               
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR agreed it is an important issue and said he is                 
somewhat surprised at some of the issues the committee has granted             
immunity for recently.  This bill seems to fit with the pattern.               
He stated this legislation certainly provides for an elective                  
process and not to provide for an immunity would not leave the                 
process elective.  He added, "If you could elect to refuse -- you              
can't have that election without some level of coercion if in fact             
there's a litigation that may be pending or threatened should you              
fail to participate, so I don't think you could have a piece of                
legislation like this without some sort of immunity for the                    
decision that is made."                                                        
                                                                               
RENEE HOWELL, Legislative Administrative Assistant to Senator Lydia            
Green, Alaska State Legislature, stated the legislation does grant             
immunity, but it is subject to the provisions of the Emergency                 
Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act (EMTALA).  For example, if              
a person has been admitted to a hospital and a hospital has a                  
policy against the process, the  hospital is then required to                  
transfer the person to another hospital.  Similarly, if a patient              
is under the care of a particular physician at the hospital and                
that physician decides not to do an elective abortion, that                    
physician is required to find another physician.                               
                                                                               
SENATOR ELLIS asked if the hospital refusing to perform the service            
is financially obligated to transport the patient to another                   
hospital?                                                                      
                                                                               
MS. HOWELL responded only if the patient has been admitted to the              
hospital for another reason.                                                   
                                                                               
SENATOR ELLIS said the federal government has laws relating to                 
"anti-dumping" whereby doctors, hospitals and various health                   
facilities are not able to refuse service to people.  He inquired              
if any of the rights being granted in this legislation are in                  
opposition to the federal "anti-dumping" law.                                  
                                                                               
MS. HOWELL said this legislation has been carefully drafted to                 
include all the EMTALA regulations.  She directed the committee's              
attention to the section "Federal requirements not affected" on                
page 4 which specifically lists those related to EMTALA as well as             
the Medicare and Medicaid requirements.  Those requirements are                
that a patient is to be given advance directive information, living            
will information and other information up front when being admitted            
to the hospital.  The hospital is not required to participate, but             
the patient must be given all the information up front.                        
                                                                               
SENATOR ELLIS reiterated that nothing in SB 348 is intended to                 
violate federal law.                                                           
                                                                               
MS. HOWELL confirmed that.                                                     
                                                                               
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR thanked Ms. Howell for her comments and requested              
Dr. Nakamura to come before the committee at this time.                        
                                                                               
PETER NAKAMURA, MD, MPH, Director, Division of Public Health,                  
Department of Health and Social Services, said his testimony on                
these issues is based on the medical and health impacts of some of             
the proposed actions.  Because facilities are very much a part of              
this legislation, he had looked into the reason for abortions being            
done in a hospital.  Very often second trimester abortions are                 
performed for a genetic reason and while it may not be a life-                 
threatening issue, but it is a significant issue to the patient.               
He said those types of issues don't seem to be addressed in SB 348.            
                                                                               
DR. NAKAMURA further stated he had a problem with some of the                  
wording in this legislation; specifically as it relates to health              
services.  He referred to the language on page 5, line 8, "if done             
with the intent to deliver the unborn child prematurely to preserve            
the health of both the pregnant woman and the woman's child."  He              
said there are times when perhaps the child or the mother might be             
involved, but not both.  Dr. Nakamura next directed the committee's            
attention to the language on line 6, "if done with the intent to               
save the life of a pregnant woman whose life is endangered by a                
physical disorder, illness or injury when no other medical                     
procedure would save the life of the mother."  He pointed out there            
are not only physical disorders, but mental disorders which                    
significantly pose a threat to the life of the mother, but those               
issues would not be covered.  With respect to the language "no                 
other medical procedure would save the life of the woman", he said             
very often there are medical procedures available which are not                
familiar to all physicians.                                                    
                                                                               
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DR. NAKAMURA said another issue relates to the health care                     
institution which he had commented on when testifying on SJR 35                
which was proposed because of a requirement that a public hospital,            
a hospital that is built with public funds or a hospital supported             
by public funds must make a service available.  He said in this                
case, it would exclude again all health care institutions.                     
Inasmuch as that is a legal issue, he deferred that issue to the               
representative from the Department of Law.                                     
                                                                               
DR. NAKAMURA expressed concern with the definition provided of                 
"health care institution" in which "entity" includes a hospital,               
clinic, physician's office, medical school, nursing school, other              
health care training institution, insurance organization, or                   
financing organization.  He said this could potentially eliminate              
access to abortions totally in the state.  As he mentioned when he             
testified in SJR 35, as health care systems are changing and                   
managed care organizations are assuming the responsibility of                  
health care, there is a potential that not only all hospitals, but             
other health facilities such as clinics, physician's offices, or               
other institutions would come under the umbrella of one health care            
organization.  He said he does have great respect for many of the              
sectarian hospitals, especially Providence Hospital, but if all                
these institutions happen to come under the purview of one health              
delivery system and held accountable to their policies, it's very              
likely that access to abortion services will no longer be available            
in this state.  The individuals harmed would be those who are the              
most vulnerable and those are individuals who cannot afford to find            
an option.                                                                     
                                                                               
DR. NAKAMURA referred to line 24 which states, "'service' includes             
testing, diagnosis, prognosis, research, counseling, therapy,                  
treatment, family planning, referral, prescription, medication,                
surgery, ...." and said often a testing process is necessary before            
the type of service is determined.  It may be a chemical test, a               
blood test or an x-ray test.  A diagnosis has to take place -                  
prognosis has to be determined before the type of service is                   
decided - before it is concluded that an abortion is the required              
intervention.  He expressed concern with the inclusion of all these            
services.                                                                      
                                                                               
DR. NAKAMURA concluded, "Ultimately, the end result of an unwanted             
pregnancy is an unwanted birth and unwanted birth results in a lot             
of the health and social problems we're dealing with, whether they             
be the issues of child abuse, whether they be the issues of                    
domestic violence, or the issues of children who grow up with an               
inability to deal with society stresses.  So somewhere along the               
way, I guess from a health professional and someone responsible for            
public health, my concern is that we're in danger of losing access             
to these services."                                                            
                                                                               
SENATOR MILLER commented that Dr. Nakamura had brought up a lot of             
interesting points.  He asked Dr. Nakamura to clarify the concern              
expressed with the language on page 5, line 8; specifically "if                
done with the intent to deliver the unborn child prematurely to                
preserve the health of both the pregnant woman and the woman's                 
child."                                                                        
                                                                               
DR. NAKAMURA responded that the health of the child may be in                  
danger, but perhaps not the mother or visa versa.  The mother may              
have a condition, such as a bleeding disorder, and her life may be             
significantly threatened, but the child could very well survive.               
So by requiring both the pregnant mother and the child to be                   
affected before interceding with a procedure, could put one or the             
other at risk.                                                                 
                                                                               
SENATOR MILLER reminded Dr. Nakamura this wasn't new language; it's            
current law.                                                                   
                                                                               
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CHAIRMAN TAYLOR asked Dr. Nakamura how he would characterize the               
medical obligation or medical ethic differentiating between                    
prenatal care and abortion; in other words, could he explain how he            
equated abortion as medical care.                                              
                                                                               
DR. NAKAMURA replied as an individual in public health, he views               
health care and the outcomes of health care as a significant issue             
separate from medical care.  For example, the adverse outcomes of              
an abused child or mother is public health.  It may not be medical             
care, but it's definitely public health.                                       
                                                                               
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR thanked Dr. Nakamura for his comments and asked                
Kristen Bomengen to present her testimony at this time.                        
                                                                               
KRISTEN BOMENGEN, Assistant Attorney General, Human Services                   
Section, Department of Law, stated she hadn't had sufficient time              
to review the draft being discussed by the committee, but                      
                                                                               
TAPE 98-44, SIDE B                                                             
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MS. BOMENGEN continued she would direct her comments as much as                
possible to the current draft.  She said basically, this bill does             
still pose many legal problems and may present some legal                      
challenges, only some of which would have to be defended by the                
state in due course; many would fall upon private or other                     
facilities and individuals to pursue legal remedies under these                
provisions.  She said that "health care institution" is defined to             
include a public institution.  As most everyone is aware, the                  
current state of the law is articulated in Valley Hospital which               
specifically stated that a statutory right for an institution to               
refuse to participate in an abortion can't outweigh the                        
constitutional right to choose whether to bear a child.  There is              
no change in that status, so this would be unconstitutional in that            
regard.  She further stated public entities are not allowed, under             
constitutional principles, to limit access to their services based             
on religious criteria in such a way as to frustrate the exercise of            
a constitutionally-protected right.                                            
                                                                               
MS. BOMENGEN said the liability provisions that appear both in the             
individual rights and in the institutional rights of conscience                
appear to provide a certain liability, but are misleading as                   
worded.  She had discussed some of the problems that arise with                
other federal laws at a previous hearing, and it doesn't appear the            
revisions in the current draft sufficiently address those problems.            
The wording implies the liability exists to a greater extent than              
actually exists.  She said Sec. 18.17.030(b) states that a person              
is not liable if they properly object to being required to perform             
a service; 18.17.040(b) states the institution is shielded from                
liability for the injuries that may occur because of the policies;             
and 18.17.060 provides remedies for those who are injured by a                 
violation of the act - which means if required to perform that                 
service or discriminated against in employment perhaps by being                
asked to - but provides no remedy for individuals injured by the               
operation of the act if they fall into injury because of refusal to            
provide health care. She added the federal law provides for civil              
fines that can be imposed on physicians and on facilities, and tort            
claims can be made against facilities under the Emergency Medical              
Treatment Act.  She recommended the language in SB 348 be cross-               
referenced with the federal statutes.                                          
                                                                               
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR interjected the state has no authority to immunize             
from the remedies provided for in federal law.                                 
                                                                               
MS. BOMENGEN pointed out the federal Medicare law in the Emergency             
Medical Treatment Act intends to pre-empt the state law to some                
extent.                                                                        
                                                                               
SENATOR MILLER expressed amazement that no other Administration had            
found a problem with a law that's been in effect for the past                  
several years.  He agreed that under the decision of the Alaska                
Supreme Court, this particular statute probably would be found                 
unconstitutional, which is the reason for its conjunction with                 
SJR 35.  He asked if Ms. Bomengen agreed that if SJR 35 went on the            
ballot and was passed, this would be constitutional?                           
                                                                               
MS. BOMENGEN replied she wasn't certain of the answer, but                     
understands that it is intended to be, as indicated by testimony               
presented.  For clarification, she pointed out that problems with              
that law had been identified 20 years ago when the Attorney General            
issued an opinion which stated that a law exempting public                     
institutions probably would not withstand a constitutional                     
challenge and public institutions were advised not to rely upon                
that law in determining what services to offer.                                
                                                                               
SENATOR MILLER commented the broadness of the Supreme Court                    
decision picks up every facility in the state, public or not.  He              
asked if Ms. Bomengen had any comments on at what point does one               
person's constitutional right supersede another person's?                      
                                                                               
MS. BOMENGEN responded she believes there are mechanisms for                   
balancing religious interests or morally asserted objections.  The             
statute as it current stands, still allows individuals to make                 
objections and there is nothing about the Valley Hospital case or              
any other case that would lead anyone to believe that that would be            
overturned.  There would be a far more detailed constitutional                 
discussion about how religious objections and moral objections are             
analyzed.  That option is still available; however, to assert                  
religious objections to carrying out a practice as it relates to               
the area of public institutions and public facilities is somewhat              
tricky.  The Pioneers' Homes run by the state are public                       
institutions and with this legislation directly affecting end-of-              
life care, it would be improper for the state to adopt a policy                
that might object to complying with some end-of-life directives.               
                                                                               
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CHAIRMAN TAYLOR asked Ms. Bomengen to point out the provisions in              
the bill that provide for end-of-life care.                                    
                                                                               
MS. BOMENGEN replied the two areas of procedures that are of                   
concern are those that are intended to end the life of an                      
individual or that involve an elective abortion.  At a previous                
hearing, she had raised the issue of federal requirements regarding            
dvanced directives imposed on all Medicare certified facilities and            
Medicaid participating facilities relating to living wills, among              
other things, at the time of admission.  She noted that Sec.                   
18.17.070 would address that issue, but as mentioned previously,               
she encouraged this be cross-referenced more so the obligations are            
very clear.                                                                    
                                                                               
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR inquired if that wasn't already covered by existing            
law.                                                                           
                                                                               
MS. BOMENGEN said one change was reflected in Sec. 18.17.050 which             
is the requirement that a patient be transferred; however, she was             
of the opinion there were other places where the entire chapter                
should be referenced so the layperson would know there is an                   
applicable federal law to help in decision making as well as                   
potential liabilities.                                                         
                                                                               
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MS. BOMENGEN reiterated the state will be confronting this with                
respect to the Pioneers' Homes.  In addition, because this                     
prohibits discrimination in employment, there are employer/employee            
issues that need to be addressed.  She noted there is some language            
that provides exceptions when a specific type of care is being                 
provided, but she questioned the adequacy of the language. The                 
exception to the prohibition against employment discrimination is              
in terms that aren't the usual legal terms applied to religious                
objections or disability related discrimination cases.  She                    
suggested the language should be changed.  Also, the issue of                  
employment also creates problems in relation to the current                    
parameters in interviewing new employees.  Generally, it would not             
be a practice to inquire into religious beliefs and moral                      
objections, but when a health care facility provides specific                  
services, such as a Pioneer Home, it might be necessary to                     
incorporate that into the interview process which could become                 
tricky.                                                                        
                                                                               
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR illustrated the following scenario for                         
clarification as it relates to end of life procedures or directives            
under a living will:  A resident at one of the state's Pioneer                 
Homes fills out an advance directive instructing that at a certain             
point the application of various extraordinary techniques is no                
longer desired; i.e., no life support systems, and personnel at the            
Pioneers' Home could refuse to abide by the request and insist on              
the life support systems.                                                      
                                                                               
MS. BOMENGEN said she was fairly certain there was state law that              
protects against that, but there could be circumstances in which an            
employee of the Pioneers' Home would not be willing to participate             
in that part of the process.  Current state law allows individuals             
to exempt themselves from complying with the terms of a living                 
will; it requires them instead to assure that appropriate transfer             
of the patient can be achieved either to another facility or to                
another physician.  She stated it would create, at least in the                
employer/employee arena, the circumstance in which individuals                 
would be invoking their wish to not participate in that step.  She             
believed the state would not issue a policy at a public facility               
against compliance, but rather ensure there were enough employees              
on staff willing to comply with the terms.                                     
                                                                               
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR said he was concerned that another individual might            
need to be present to ensure the terms of his living will are                  
enforced at the facility to which the ambulance has taken him.                 
Information he received at a medical association dinner last year              
indicated that 95 percent of individuals with living wills have                
those living wills disregarded by the medical facility they are at             
and spend the last 14 days of their life at a special care center              
to the tune of $10,000 - $20,000 per day.  He said if in fact 95               
percent of the living wills are being disregarded, he will not do              
anything to further enhance that.  He further stated Ms. Bomengen's            
comments indicate that through the passage of this legislation,                
some additional transfer facility will need to be available to                 
carry out the wishes of individuals with living wills.                         
                                                                               
MS. BOMENGEN replied that it could be an outcome of this                       
legislation; it depends on what principles are invoked by                      
individuals based on their moral or religious objections when it               
reaches the point of "pulling the plug."  She couldn't say with                
certainty that this legislation has been drafted to allow employers            
to address adequate staffing to meet the care decisions.                       
                                                                               
SENATOR MILLER shared Chairman Taylor's frustration in terms of                
living wills not being carried out; however, under this                        
legislation, if an individual having a religious or moral                      
conviction isn't required to carry out or participate in that                  
function, a transfer has to take place or the institution has to               
find someone who will carry it out.  He expressed concern about                
violating a person's true moral or religious conviction.                       
                                                                               
MS. BOMENGEN agreed that living wills are not always carried out in            
the desired manner.  As this legislation applies to individuals, it            
does address some of the concerns expressed; however, as it applies            
to entire facilities, it could certainly create some urgent and                
inconvenient situations.  She further stated, as the legislation is            
currently written imposing certain obligations on facilities as                
employers, it may impose a problem in securing adequate staff and              
it needs to be more clearly articulated to ensure protections for              
employers who have to assure adequate staff.                                   
                                                                               
MS. BOMENGEN further stated there are a couple of other legal                  
problems.  She referred to page 2, line 7, and said the inclusion              
of "pay for" is an anomaly and can be subject to abuse and misuse.             
She asked the committee to give some serious consideration to the              
inclusion of this language.  If the purpose is to address things               
like requiring people to deliver services they object to, she                  
advised the phrase "pay for" really creates a collections problem              
for the facilities apart from the other intent.                                
                                                                               
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR asked, "If the collection issue would be that if a             
procedure was carried out that violated their moral concerns, they             
would not have to pay for that procedure or the cost of it being               
provided?  Is that what the 'pay for' is referring to?"                        
                                                                               
MS. BOMENGEN said it's used in the original policy and in the civil            
rights of conscience that any individual may refuse to pay for the             
performance of a health care service if it includes a procedure                
that violates the person's moral or religious conviction; e.g.,                
pain relief medication in end-of-life care.  She said she wasn't               
exactly certain, but the appearance of the words "pay for" are very            
different and don't appear to be consistent with the provisions of             
those services listed.                                                         
                                                                               
SENATOR MILLER cited a hypothetical situation in which a wife                  
decides to get an abortion against the wishes and conviction of her            
catholic husband, but if financial responsibility is shared by                 
husband and wife, he is required to pay.                                       
                                                                               
MS. BOMENGEN pointed out that those moral convictions can arise out            
of nowhere when a bill is received, so there's a potential for                 
abuse.  However, it may be worked out between husband and wife.                
                                                                               
SENATOR ELLIS asked if SJR 35 addresses the end-of-life, living                
will issue?                                                                    
                                                                               
SENATOR MILLER replied that it did not.                                        
                                                                               
SENATOR ELLIS reflected the statute change being discussed seemed              
premature until voters are able to vote on SJR 35.  If the voters              
approve SJR 35 and it were to become part of the constitution, this            
legislation would go beyond that of the constitutional amendment.              
                                                                               
SENATOR MILLER pointed out there is a living will statute in                   
existence.                                                                     
                                                                               
SENATOR ELLIS observed that part of the right of conscience                    
relating to performance of abortions would be elevated to a                    
constitutional protection; the portion about the end-of-life and               
living will issues are two matters of conscience to some people                
that are on different levels.                                                  
                                                                               
SENATOR MILLER said that asking a person to participate in an end-             
of-life decision or moral convictions are some of the deepest held             
convictions that a person has and sometimes the state or society in            
trying to protect the constitutional rights of one group of people             
trod over the constitutional rights of another group.                          
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SENATOR ELLIS commented that he doesn't look forward to the day                
when a Pioneers' Home resident with advanced directives or a very              
specific living will has to be transferred someplace else where                
their living will can be administered in the way in which it was               
intended.  He commented the constitutional amendment introduced by             
Senator Miller doesn't address that issue while this legislation               
does, which is a concern.                                                      
                                                                               
SENATOR MILLER said he understands the concerns expressed by                   
Senator Ellis.  He stated part of it is the screening of hiring                
process; however, what about the doctor who because of religious               
beliefs cannot participate.                                                    
                                                                               
SENATOR ELLIS observed that was interesting and asked if it would              
be appropriate for the state of Alaska to screen potential                     
employees of a Pioneers' Home based on their religious conviction?             
                                                                               
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR thanked Ms. Bomengen for her comments and asked                
Janet Oates to come forward to present her remarks.                            
                                                                               
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JANET OATES, Director, Marketing and Government Relations,                     
Providence Health Systems, testified that Providence had supported             
this legislation because it seemed to provide the "how to" of the              
constitutional amendments and as Senator Miller pointed out, there             
may be some remnants left over from one of the other versions of               
the conscience amendments.  She said Ms. Bomengen had pointed out              
some of the issues regarding the definition of a public facility               
and the reasons for the concern even at Providence, because under              
the definitions presented in the Valley Hospital ruling, Providence            
fits all the definitions.  Providence receives public funds under              
Medicare and Medicaid, falls under the certificate of need, has                
been granted certificates of need by the state, and the land on                
which the Alaska Medical Center is built was originally provided by            
the federal government.                                                        
                                                                               
MS. OATES referred to the liability question and said some of                  
issues raised by Chairman Taylor are dealt with on page 2;                     
specifically, the institution must notify people of their position             
and post it publicly; an employee must notify the employer when                
they feel their conscience will be violated in providing a service.            
                                                                               
MS. OATES referred to Dr. Nakamura's comments regarding genetic                
issues in which the situations may not be a life-threatening                   
emergency and said there are some services that are not provided in            
any hospitals in Alaska, but Providence does provide the service is            
when the life of the mother is at risk.  Those occasions have been             
so rare that it hasn't been an issue with their employees.  She                
referenced the previous comments on "botched" abortions and said if            
the fetus is still viable, then the Emergency Medical Treatment and            
Active Labor Act would go into effect; the patient would be                    
stabilized and then sent to a facility where that service is                   
provided.  She pointed out that she didn't know where that service             
is provided in the state; no Native Indian Health Service hospital             
or any of the Indian Health Service funded Native health                       
corporations provide this service.  In fact, by law they're                    
mandated not to.  If the fetus is not viable, she would say it is              
the life of the mother at risk and the service would be performed.             
                                                                               
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MS. OATES said many of the end-of-life issues deal with the issue              
of intent.  She read from the ethical directives of the Catholic               
Church:   "There are two extremes.  On the one hand, an insistence             
on useless or burdensome technology even when a patient may                    
legitimately wish to forego it and on the other hand, the                      
withdrawal of technology with the intention of causing death."  She            
said for the Providence Health System, it's the word "intent"                  
that's particularly troublesome.  There may be a situation when                
withdrawing from life support is not intended to be death, but                 
rather comfort for the individual.                                             
                                                                               
MS. OATES concluded that she does support this legislation as a                
work in progress.                                                              
                                                                               
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR asked if there was anyone else wishing to testify              
on SB 348.                                                                     
                                                                               
SENATOR ELLIS noted a misspelled word on the amendment, which could            
be corrected by the staff and considered a technical amendment.                
                                                                               
SENATOR MILLER made a motion to move CSSB 348(JUD) as amended out              
of the Senate Judiciary Committee with individual recommendations.             
                                                                               
SENATOR ELLIS objected.                                                        
                                                                               
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR asked for a roll call vote.  Senators Parnell,                 
Pearce, Miller and Taylor voted in favor of moving the bill.                   
Senator Ellis voted against it.  Therefore, SB 348 moved from the              
Senate Judiciary Committee by a vote of 4-1.                                   

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